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    Default I just spoke to Elite about BCY 8190 and was told by Technical Support that

    Elite is still testing but if i used 26 strands of BCY 2690 that it WILL NOT void the warranty.... So i am going to order my strings
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    I emailed back and forth with JKK over the weekend and he did say that they will be adding some new materials to list that will not void the warranty, he told me he would get back to me with strand counts for the materials so I know what will be allowed. He wanted to be sure of the counts with the 2X/Mini/Halo .014 serving first but told me he would let me know, all I can say is I am looking forward to his email.
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    Looking forward to getting a straight answer. Because I am really wanting to order a custom set of strings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twisted Archer View Post
    I emailed back and forth with JKK over the weekend and he did say that they will be adding some new materials to list that will not void the warranty, he told me he would get back to me with strand counts for the materials so I know what will be allowed. He wanted to be sure of the counts with the 2X/Mini/Halo .014 serving first but told me he would let me know, all I can say is I am looking forward to his email.
    Tech support said 26 strands so i guess they would know correct ????
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Elitest View Post
    Tech support said 26 strands so i guess they would know correct ????
    If they did then I wouldn't expect to see much of a benefit. Adding back the weight and making it the same diameter so it doesn't fit the cam track any better. Hoping Jamie or Ben chimes in on this since they would know much better than myself.

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    If the diameter has to be the same and that negates 8190's advantage over 452X, then what is the point of using 8190? I haven't had issues with peep rotation or "fuzzing" with 452X which is one of the other advantages of 8190. I will say I am an archery novice, so I don't have the experience others my have. I guess what I am trying to find out is if the two materials should have the same finished diameter and that makes the speeds and weight comparable, what is the advantage of 8190 over 452X?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Elitest View Post
    Tech support said 26 strands so i guess they would know correct ????
    Quote Originally Posted by BlindBuck View Post
    If they did then I wouldn't expect to see much of a benefit. Adding back the weight and making it the same diameter so it doesn't fit the cam track any better. Hoping Jamie or Ben chimes in on this since they would know much better than myself.
    I was told on the 8190 that it had to be 26 strands so yes BlindBuck it won't make much of a difference speed wise, they want the same diameter from what I was told. I am waiting to hear what other materials are given the go ahead and the strand counts, since I don't stock Brownell the rest of the materials won't be much help to me but I will still let everyone know as soon as I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry24 View Post
    If the diameter has to be the same and that negates 8190's advantage over 452X, then what is the point of using 8190? I haven't had issues with peep rotation or "fuzzing" with 452X which is one of the other advantages of 8190. I will say I am an archery novice, so I don't have the experience others my have. I guess what I am trying to find out is if the two materials should have the same finished diameter and that makes the speeds and weight comparable, what is the advantage of 8190 over 452X?

    8190 shouldn't fuzz up like 452X so there's a little plus but I haven't done any testing yet so I don't have any other info to pass on but if diameter has to stay the same I don't see any real advantages from what I have been told by other string maker buddies. JKK told me he didn't see any advantages speed wise either with the other materials when everything was equal, I guess since Elite is the only one with the transferable warranty they get to make the strand count rules if you still want to be able to have your warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twisted Archer View Post

    8190 shouldn't fuzz up like 452X so there's a little plus but I haven't done any testing yet so I don't have any other info to pass on but if diameter has to stay the same I don't see any real advantages from what I have been told by other string maker buddies. JKK told me he didn't see any advantages speed wise either with the other materials when everything was equal, I guess since Elite is the only one with the transferable warranty they get to make the strand count rules if you still want to be able to have your warranty.
    Ok, that is what I was thinking. Would 24 strands of 8190 be as strong as 24 strands of 452X? I guess if it was, then I could see an advantage of 8190 over 452X. You just void your warranty using the smaller diameter string, but if it is just as strong, then is it really a risk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry24 View Post
    Ok, that is what I was thinking. Would 24 strands of 8190 be as strong as 24 strands of 452X? I guess if it was, then I could see an advantage of 8190 over 452X. You just void your warranty using the smaller diameter string, but if it is just as strong, then is it really a risk?
    I think the question that needs to be asked is: What advantages make 8190 a worthwhile choice over 452x? I think performance is ALMOST dead nuts equal, so take that out of the equation. Then it just comes down to appearance, longevity, and resistance to stretch. From what I've seen, peep rotation is a non-issue with properly built strings for both material, so that too is removed from the equation. Unless I'm missing something, all that is left is appearance and longevity. IMHO, the 8190 is a better 'looking' material than 452x. I can't answer the longevity question since I've only had mine on for a month or so.

    So basically, it comes down to appearance and longevity vs. potentially losing a warranty. I'm not certain that those two items justify potentially compromising a warranty, but that's just my opinion. If warranty was a non-issue, I'd personally choose 8190 just for appearance right now, but until I have a few thousand more shots on them, I can't say if it lasts as long, or not.

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